ECM Rebalance or Cry Moar, OP!

A couple nights back, a guy killed Ken in his Kestrel.  Ken chased him for the next half hour or so for another one-on-one chance but the guy wouldn’t bite.  So Ken called me in for harassment’s sake and we decided to bait him out with something helpless and rain down Gang Bang fire.  This prompted a yet another ECM-bashing tirade in local (Okay, so we goaded the shit out of the guy…  And pardon the gap in the middle; I logged Gank out for a minute to change skills on another toon.):

[ 2009.03.24 04:20:41 ] Spork’d > You failed buddy
[ 2009.03.24 04:20:46 ] RueTiron > that is some pussy shit
[ 2009.03.24 04:20:55 ] ZeitGeisT iL > aflac
[ 2009.03.24 04:20:56 ] RueTiron > falcon and 5 pirates vs a noob in a caraal
[ 2009.03.24 04:20:59 ] Gankis Khan > LOL, you always have something to say when you lose.
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:02 ] RueTiron > and you still lost 2 ships
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:04 ] RueTiron > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:10 ] ZeitGeisT iL > falcon…5 pirates..
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:14 ] Gankis Khan > “Not my fault,” you say.
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:14 ] ZeitGeisT iL > u confuse for belt rats
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:15 ] Spork’d > lol, i lost a tackle fitted iskur buddy
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:24 ] Spork’d > check the killmail, no guns on it, you took the bait like a nub.
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:33 ] RueTiron > i am a noob
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:33 ] ZeitGeisT iL > A F L A C
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:40 ] RueTiron > the bait
[ 2009.03.24 04:21:42 ] RueTiron > lol

[ 2009.03.24 04:26:33 ] RueTiron > and you had to degrade yourself to do it
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:39 ] ZeitGeisT iL > oh good yer still crying
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:41 ] ZeitGeisT iL > i wanted seconds
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:43 ] RueTiron > stfu
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:46 ] ZeitGeisT iL > we get thirsty out here in space
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:53 ] RueTiron > you suck
[ 2009.03.24 04:26:55 ] RueTiron > a falcon
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:00 ] ZeitGeisT iL > did u feel big and bad beating up the kestrel?
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:02 ] ZeitGeisT iL > did it tickle?
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:06 ] ZeitGeisT iL > u tickle
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:06 ] RueTiron > that is some bitch tactics
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:09 ] sgt cruz > lol someones pissed
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:10 ] ZeitGeisT iL > no
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:13 ] ZeitGeisT iL > we used hax
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:20 ] RueTiron > bitch tactics
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:24 ] ZeitGeisT iL > yes
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:27 ] Gankis Khan > Aww, cry some more, Rue!
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:27 ] ZeitGeisT iL > keep going
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:29 ] RueTiron > B I T C H
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:30 ] ZeitGeisT iL > im getting haaaaard
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:32 ] RueTiron > tactics
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:34 ] Gankis Khan > You power my jams.
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:44 ] RueTiron > im crying
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:48 ] ZeitGeisT iL > RueTiron will u sit on my lap?? I AM SANTA
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:50 ] Tripden > tama is full of noobs c/d ?
[ 2009.03.24 04:27:51 ] RueTiron > have some dignity
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:01 ] Gankis Khan > /emote confirms.
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:06 ] RueTiron > you probably coulda taken me…. without the falcon
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:10 ] ZeitGeisT iL > /emote c
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:10 ] RueTiron > if you werent some bitches
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:16 ] ZeitGeisT iL > but we r bitches
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:18 ] RueTiron > i mean it was only 5 of you
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:22 ] ZeitGeisT iL > end of discussion?
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:24 ] Lawlzer > Ruetiron, you talked shit when you killed my kestrel
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:28 ] ZeitGeisT iL > we r noob hot dropping nublets
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:30 ] RueTiron > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:35 ] Lawlzer > like that was a fair fight.
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:36 ] RueTiron > lawlzer you suck
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:43 ] RueTiron > it was fair
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:44 ] Lawlzer > just kicked your ass.
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:45 ] ZeitGeisT iL > he sucks ME AND HES VERY GOOD AT IT STFU
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:52 ] Gankis Khan > Yes, more please.
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:53 ] RueTiron > the first fight was fair
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:58 ] Gankis Khan > MOAR TEARS!
[ 2009.03.24 04:28:59 ] RueTiron > when I nailed you lawlzer
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:00 ] ZeitGeisT iL > lawlalwlalw
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:13 ] ZeitGeisT iL > 500 wpm of tears =D
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:19 ] RueTiron > i mean when you bring in a falcon you got to be pretty desperate
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:28 ] ZeitGeisT iL > u didnt see the pilgrim?
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:33 ] ZeitGeisT iL > yer btching about the falcon?
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:37 ] RueTiron > i guess just to save your manhod since I had just raped it
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:40 ] ZeitGeisT iL > and the nidhogger and pilgrim didnt offend u?
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:55 ] RueTiron > that pilfrim was WEAK
[ 2009.03.24 04:29:56 ] Gankis Khan > Oooh, Nidhogger?
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:01 ] ZeitGeisT iL > if your epic tank would of held any longer we would of had to DD
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:03 ] RueTiron > fail pilgrim
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:09 ] Lawlzer > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:13 ] Gankis Khan > LOL, everything’s fail when you die to it, mister.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:18 ] Lawlzer > You anger makes me so happy you know that.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:21 ] Gankis Khan > It’s why you’re our favourite kill.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:28 ] RueTiron > im not that angry
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:30 ] Lawlzer > That thought of you, sitting there crying and screaming in your room.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:33 ] RueTiron > that is some bitch shit
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:35 ] Gankis Khan > Sure you’re not.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:36 ] RueTiron > to bring in a falcon
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:39 ] RueTiron > ?
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:39 ] ZeitGeisT iL > like the warcraft kid?
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:40 ] RueTiron > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:42 ] Gankis Khan > You’re really HAPPY about it.
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:43 ] Lawlzer > and you mom is all like ” Little Rue, what’s wrong baby!”
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:47 ] RueTiron > you just exposed yourself as a pussy corp
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:56 ] Lawlzer > and you are like ” MOMMY THE KIDS ARE PICKING ON ME AGAIN! ”
[ 2009.03.24 04:30:57 ] ZeitGeisT iL > i told u we r
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:00 ] ZeitGeisT iL > and we r bitches
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:03 ] Lawlzer > that makes me feel good.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:03 ] ZeitGeisT iL > so why r u still going
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:07 ] Gankis Khan > Not just corp, either. Check the alliance name.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:11 ] RueTiron > a falcon in a fleet fight sure… but a falcon against a noob in a t1cruiser?
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:11 ] Gankis Khan > /emote grins.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:12 ] RueTiron > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:13 ] ZeitGeisT iL > we r bitches with very nice punanies
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:17 ] RueTiron > that shit is funny
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:19 ] Gankis Khan > Clean ones.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:23 ] ZeitGeisT iL > very clean
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:27 ] ZeitGeisT iL > glistening
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:28 ] Gankis Khan > High five for clean punanny.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:28 ] ZeitGeisT iL > sparkly
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:31 ] RueTiron > ghankis you need to change your name’
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:32 ] ZeitGeisT iL > /emote high fives
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:36 ] RueTiron > you are not worthy of that name
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:39 ] Gankis Khan > And you should spell it right.
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:39 ] ZeitGeisT iL > wtf is a ruetiron
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:45 ] ZeitGeisT iL > is that like a ruetcanal?
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:49 ] Gankis Khan > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:51 ] RueTiron > Bitch Khan
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:53 ] sgt cruz > omg dude just shut up
[ 2009.03.24 04:31:58 ] ZeitGeisT iL > oh no he did int
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:07 ] Gankis Khan > Ohhh, snap.
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:13 ] ZeitGeisT iL > /emote reels back
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:14 ] RueTiron > Bitch Khan, because he can fight a real fight so he scratches
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:20 ] ZeitGeisT iL > your a bad man khan
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:22 ] ZeitGeisT iL > bad bad man
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:22 ] Lawlzer > Hehehe Rue, let’s talk about something since obviously your not so smart.
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:24 ] sgt cruz > RueTiron is a noob
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:30 ] RueTiron > I am a noob
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:33 ] Lawlzer > Since you A: Had no point
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:33 ] ZeitGeisT iL > me 2
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:37 ] Gankis Khan > LOL, I’m a girl, so bitch fights are COMPLETELY acceptable for me.
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:42 ] Lawlzer > and B: The ishkur you killed had no guns
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:44 ] sgt cruz > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:47 ] ZeitGeisT iL > and me because im very feminine
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:53 ] Gankis Khan > Agreed.
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:56 ] Lawlzer > pardon me, incursis had no guns
[ 2009.03.24 04:32:58 ] ZeitGeisT iL > ./o
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:00 ] RueTiron > more bitch shit
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:08 ] sgt cruz > ur the one bitching…
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:08 ] Gankis Khan > You’re very in touch with your feminine side, Zeit.
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:11 ] Lawlzer > either A: Your leet sauce pwing a t1 frig
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:12 ] RueTiron > i dont mind 1v 5
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:14 ] Gankis Khan > It’s why we’re such good pals.
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:16 ] ZeitGeisT iL > Rue what are you wearing
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:22 ] Lawlzer > or B: Your a dipshit that got caught ratting in a belt
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:30 ] Lawlzer > *you’re
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:33 ] RueTiron > because obviously your corp is a few cents short of a dollar
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:34 ] Gankis Khan > Ha, dipshit belt-ratting.
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:41 ] ZeitGeisT iL > dont change the subject dude
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:42 ] RueTiron > so it takes a few extras to bring me down
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:43 ] Gankis Khan > That’s for DAMN sure.
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:44 ] Lawlzer > yeah, i’m voting for B
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:44 ] ZeitGeisT iL > what r u wearin
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:50 ] RueTiron > but the falcon
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:53 ] Lawlzer > But pat yourself on the back for that incursis kill.
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:56 ] RueTiron > that was bitch tactic
[ 2009.03.24 04:33:58 ] ZeitGeisT iL > W T F R U WAERRINGS
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:04 ] Gankis Khan > Done by a bitch for a bitch. <3
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:06 ] RueTiron > that pilgrim was going down
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:09 ] Lawlzer > Yeah, bitch tactics that caught us a bitch LOL.
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:11 ] RueTiron > against a caracal
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:11 ] ZeitGeisT iL > what fcking pilgrim rofl
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:12 ] Lawlzer > you said it baby.
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:13 ] Capitan Kidd > what happened? i whent AFK and now someone droped a big steamer in my local window
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:24 ] RueTiron > good thing that falcon Saved you Lawzler
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:31 ] Lawlzer > Rue got killed and he cried.
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:31 ] ZeitGeisT iL > we hot dropped a fleet of dreads on his caracel and hes mad about it?
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:37 ] RueTiron > that would have been twice in 15 minutes you got owned by a noob
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:38 ] Gankis Khan > I know, right?
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:44 ] Gankis Khan > Everyone knows what kind of fair that is!
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:51 ] ZeitGeisT iL > this erection is killing me
[ 2009.03.24 04:34:59 ] Gankis Khan > I bet Rue could help you with it.
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:01 ] RueTiron > Bitch Tactics
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:04 ] Lawlzer > Rue, you killed a bait frig. and it got us your caracal.
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:12 ] Lawlzer > Who is the bitch now?
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:21 ] sgt cruz > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:22 ] RueTiron > you got my Caracal LOL congratulations
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:28 ] sgt cruz > ok now shut up
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:28 ] RueTiron > with a falcon
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:30 ] ZeitGeisT iL > as dave chappelle would say ” Wrap It Up”
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:31 ] sgt cruz > end of story
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:33 ] ZeitGeisT iL > /emote turns on blinking sign
[ 2009.03.24 04:35:59 ] Lawlzer > Rue you are crying about the ships there. I didn’t cry about my incursis being killed by your cruiser… Like that was a fair fight
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:06 ] RueTiron > lawlzer you better keep that falcon close to you. that falcon is your pimp and you’re the bitch
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:16 ] RueTiron > and im the john
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:16 ] ZeitGeisT iL > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:17 ] ZeitGeisT iL > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:17 ] Gankis Khan > Well, yes, that’s how I’d see it.
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:18 ] Lawlzer > That falcon is my wife actually
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:19 ] ZeitGeisT iL > LOL
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:25 ] ZeitGeisT iL > u paid for sex with a falcon rue?
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:29 ] Gankis Khan > HOT BITCH-FALCON ACTION!
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:33 ] sgt cruz > lmao
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:35 ] RueTiron > pretty much
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:40 ] Lawlzer > so i am her bitch.
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:41 ] Lawlzer > I’ll tell you what Rue.
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:51 ] RueTiron > that was cheap man
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:53 ] Lawlzer > Here, before all of Tama. I will 1v1 you in my Vexor in your Caracal
[ 2009.03.24 04:36:58 ] Lawlzer > and we will see who the bitch is.
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:03 ] RueTiron > ok
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:05 ] Gankis Khan > Wait, no!
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:07 ] RueTiron > your vexor
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:08 ] Gankis Khan > We know who it is.
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:10 ] Gankis Khan > It’s ME.
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:17 ] sgt cruz > Rue lmao
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:23 ] sgt cruz > i c something in ur future
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:33 ] Lawlzer > get a new Caracal and let me know when you are ready
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:36 ] Ecky X > rats.
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:37 ] sgt cruz > DEATH… dun dun dun
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:37 ] Lawlzer > we will do a straight 1v1
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:51 ] RueTiron > your Vexor vs my Caracal?
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:54 ] ZeitGeisT iL > ill be cloaked in the deathstar’
[ 2009.03.24 04:37:58 ] Lawlzer > unless you’re scared.
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:01 ] Lawlzer > or a bitch.
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:07 ] RueTiron > scared?
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:09 ] RueTiron > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:12 ] Gankis Khan > /emote readies the carriers.
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:14 ] ZeitGeisT iL > scurred
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:18 ] sgt cruz > lol
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:22 ] RueTiron > im not scared
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:23 ] ZeitGeisT iL > /emote jump stats the cyno
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:28 ] RueTiron > im scurred like he says
[ 2009.03.24 04:38:45 ] sgt cruz > Rue just get another cruiser and get it done already
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:04 ] ZeitGeisT iL > rue party me and warp to me
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:10 ] ZeitGeisT iL > ill reff it =|
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:13 ] RueTiron > i just think the falcon was unnecessary and cheap
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:21 ] Spork’d > Scared of the 1v1 then?
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:28 ] Gankis Khan > Oh, honey, I’m not cheap.
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:34 ] ZeitGeisT iL > she is free
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:36 ] ZeitGeisT iL > its different
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:39 ] Gankis Khan > ~.^
[ 2009.03.24 04:39:42 ] ZeitGeisT iL > >.>
[ 2009.03.24 04:40:28 ] RueTiron > i mean the falcon did what a falcon should do…but its kind of like bring a pipe bomb to a knife fight
[ 2009.03.24 04:40:43 ] ZeitGeisT iL > usually a nuke will suffice
[ 2009.03.24 04:41:06 ] RueTiron > why wasnt that pilgrom doing more damage lawlzer
[ 2009.03.24 04:41:32 ] Gankis Khan > Shh, the grown ups are busy.

Honestly, this was really just a long (but oh so amusing!) introduction to my thoughts on the ECM rebalance patch in the works.  *two cents begin*

I’ve been crying about the Falcon’s role in EVE’s PvP for some time.  It feels very WoW-warlock-esque: people shouting “Overpowered!!” while the devs seem not to hear and continue to buff ‘locks and stealth-nerf other classes.  I’ve seen a lot of the same forum antics as well.  The warlock class forums (and nearly every other forums where a warlock happened to be mentioned) were full of posts about how warlocks were NOT overpowered and that you were just stupid to have been killed before you got through their three-times-your-life hit point pool.  In EVE’s forums, I read post after post about how you can counter Falcons and though many are somewhat valid suggestions, they just don’t seem to work on a day-to-day basis.  I solved this little dilemma by training into a Falcon myself.  Ta da!  No More Tears™!

Falcons don’t seem balanced when compared to other eWar ships, though.  Their range puts them outside the battle zone and there is no appreciable degradation of jamming power even out over 200km.  The next best range in the eWar ships is the Remote Sensor Dampeners of the Arazu at around 165km with all relevant skills at five.  It has become mandatory to fly with a Falcon in your fleet and the alternatives are nil.  I hate not having options.

It seems the Arazu, though, may have been meant as a counter to the Falcon: close enough to the fight to assist with drones and rails, while dampening the Falcon to bring it in toward your DPS or to get it to leave all together.  Currently, this is completely negated by the extra 35+km the Falcon reaches.

All in all, I think the proposed changes are WONDERFUL and will help give fleets more choices when it comes to tactics.

*end two cents*

{ 6 comments… add one }
  • Tony "EVE's Weekend Warrior" March 25, 2009, 11:07 pm

    Wow… Noob.

    Good kill then!

  • Tony "EVE's Weekend Warrior" March 25, 2009, 11:07 pm

    Wow… Noob.

    Good kill then!

  • Shae Tiann March 26, 2009, 4:23 am

    OMG I wub yu! I was on the phone on hold with the bank arguing about charges I didn't know I had, and totally laughing my ass off reading that chatlog 😀

    /emote hugs her Arazu. Maybe now I'll be able to use her for what she was designed for.

  • Mynxee March 26, 2009, 7:08 am

    Great post–Zeit is nut. Gotta love him, you know? And it's nice to see a recently minted Falcon pilot offering the opinion you do on Falcons. I don't think they need *much* of a change but just a tweak or two to give them less win-button powers.

  • Quin March 28, 2009, 6:45 am

    “Bring a wife to a gunfight,” = Win button 😉

  • ArsenalOfCharm April 4, 2009, 3:01 pm

    Just gotta nerf the range imo the power really isnt the issue its the distance thats a problem. An Arazu would be a funny way to fuck with a falcon though.

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